portrait-sculpture.com Forum Index portrait-sculpture.com
A site provided for professional portrait and figurative sculptors, as well as serious students
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Register(DISABLED)Register(DISABLED) 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Method/workflow for succesfully constructing eyes 1/4 scale

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    portrait-sculpture.com Forum Index -> Technical Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Val Edwards



Joined: 03 Jul 2014
Posts: 5
Location: New York

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject: Method/workflow for succesfully constructing eyes 1/4 scale Reply with quote

I'm looking to do 1/6 - 1/4 scale portraits in polymer and monster clay
though, at the moment , I've been taking a class that has me working in 3/4 scale terracotta
knowing what size to gouge for the eyes and creating balls that are just right , seem to be an acquired art all by itself..
sculpting them in is tricky , to maintain symmetry and roundness
being an comic artist/illustrator crossing over to sculpture to improve ... id say all aspects of my art by seeing in the round... I am basically forced to address my trouble spots and planes that aren't normally representing in line drawings except by hyper renderers that obviously must understand the round , to execute what they do effectively

Ive tried different ways to attack my "eye problem"
I've found it very troublesome to try to push the mediums at that scale to do what I'm trying to accomplish and realize there must be a workflow im missing, to work more effectively
thus...
I am here =)


thank u sincerely
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Val Edwards



Joined: 03 Jul 2014
Posts: 5
Location: New York

PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Phil Minchinton



Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 190
Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Eyes Reply with quote

Hi Val,

I had a similar problem some time ago while trying to make a small scale portrait. A quick bit or research on the net gave me the average sizes for different ages in millimeters which I then scaled down as required.

This link is to the Wiki page which gives some dimensions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_eye

To save keep working out separate scale measurements, I made up an Excel workbook some time ago which I can send through to you if you want. It contains six different tables that will convert 1 - 300mm into 9 different scales ranging from 1/8 - 3/4. They can be printed off onto six A4 sheets for easy reference. Just let me have an email address.

The main problem I found when doing the eyes on the portrait was getting them at equal depth and level on the face, especially when working so small. Looking from above / below and sides while referencing against any pictures helps greatly. I also drew and cut out a 'U' template from cardboard with the centers of the legs of the U at the same distance between the center of the pupils ( and each of the legs the same width and radius as the eyeball) Cutting the bottom of the U straight across at 90 degrees enabled me to lightly place the legs against the eyeballs then look from above to see if they were set equally back into the eye sockets.

I can draw a sketch if needed and it's not the way most would probably go about it, just my way.. Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Alison Belt



Joined: 19 Feb 2011
Posts: 201
Location: Baltimore, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like an interesting method, Phil. I often end up with a problem eye that goes unnoticed until it's rather far along. Perhaps I will give that a shot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
Val Edwards



Joined: 03 Jul 2014
Posts: 5
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like great advice, cant wait to give it a try. One of those things that seems so logical to do
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jeanette Lewis



Joined: 13 Oct 2009
Posts: 595
Location: Merseyside U.K.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Phil,
I had the same problem recently with a Teresa of Avila, one eyeball is slightly further back - I think I did some last minute fiddling with it before applying the silicone and should have left it were it was. Sad
Great tip for measuring eyeball protuberance, and thanks for the useful link also.
Jeanette
_________________
Duc in Altum
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Neil Weinstein



Joined: 16 May 2017
Posts: 1
Location: Tucson, AZ

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Val and Phil I have had difficulty with the depth of eyes. Phil's cardboard guage sounds useful, but I'm not certain I understand it. He writes, " I also drew and cut out a 'U' template from cardboard with the centers of the legs of the U at the same distance between the center of the pupils ( and each of the legs the same width and radius as the eyeball)." Is each leg the width of the eyball or of the visible portion of the eyeball, or perhaps the width of the iris. And the reference to the "radius" of the eyeball has me confused. A sketch would help a lot. Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    portrait-sculpture.com Forum Index -> Technical Discussion All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group